Thursday, November 20, 2008

My First Major Disagreement with President-Elect Obama

As I discussed in a recent post, I have been grimly anticipating the inevitable disappointment that comes after a political victory. Those of us who supported Barack Obama willfully accentuated the positive and eliminated the negative in our minds, and reality will surely come crashing down when the new president becomes post-partisan on an issue that is fundamental to us. The possible nomination of Hillary Clinton to be Secretary of State was, one might argue, Obama's first such mis-step. His call not to punish Joe Lieberman is also a worthy candidate for "first big disappointment."

I am clearly on record on this blog as a severe critic of both Clinton (here and here) and Lieberman (here and here), yet I remain serene. Although I do not understand why people are saying that Hillary Clinton is "overwhelmingly qualified" to be Secretary of State (or anything along those superlative lines), I can at least see the arguments for putting her in that post. Similarly, as much as I was hoping to see Lieberman punished, I completely understand why it makes sense not to do so under the current circumstances.

No, my disagreement with our next president concerns something much more important: a college football playoff. In a recent interview, Obama reportedly said that he favors an eight-team playoff to determine a national champion in the top division of college football. He added: "I don't know any serious fan of college football who has disagreed with me on this." Well, I'm a pretty serious college football fan; and I completely disagree with him on this.

I am not going to argue that this is an issue that the president should leave to others. It is clear that he is not going to make this a high priority item, because he was obviously just having fun spouting off about a subject that comes up regularly in the life of any sports fan. My disagreement is thus not with his sense of priorities, since he seems to have his priorities in order. No, I disagree on the merits. There should not be a playoff system.

Although Obama said that he would balance his proposed three-round playoff by "trim[ming] back on the regular season," that will not happen. Any playoff system will increase the number of games that the best teams play. Every game, especially every high stakes game, brings with it a non-trivial number of serious injuries -- injuries to players who (as a matter of probability) will almost certainly not make a lot of money as professional athletes. Adopting a playoff system thus comes with the certain cost of serious injury each year to a non-trivial number of players. Injuries also become more numerous and more serious as the number of games increases, because the players' bodies are weakened by repeated punishment. Looking at the list of players who are "out of the season" or "out for 6-8 weeks" after each week's games is no less worrisome merely because we've become coarsened to it.

For the same reason, I opposed the addition of a 12th regular season game last season -- on top of the championship games that end the season for the ACC, the SEC, and the Big 12. Add an eight-team playoff, and you'll have two college teams playing 16 games in most years. There is no way that colleges are going to agree not to play regular season games to reduce the number of games that a handful of teams must play. The number of games ratchets upward, not downward.

That is the cost. What of the benefit? We'll know who is the best college football team! So what? As it stands, one team (and sometimes two) can say plausibly that they are the best in the country at the end of the season. We have a very imperfect system that designates a mythical winner. Changing that system so that we have a "winner" in a sense that gives people more of a sense of consensus ("It was decided on the field") is a benefit, I suppose, but it is difficult for me to take that as a serious reason to lengthen the season in an extremely violent sport.

Moreover, this supposed benefit itself comes with its own related cost. One of the most fun aspects of being a sports fan is arguing about things. To this day, I become red-faced when I rant about the 1984 national championship that was awarded to BYU. Miami's championship in the early 90's after they lost to Notre Dame, undefeated Penn State's snub in 1995, and Michigan's shared championship in 1997 all stick in my craw. Total rip-offs. No excuse for the stupidity of those voters!! But hey, that's part of the fun of it. The current system is silly and ad hoc, but so is football (and all sports). Let's yell at each other about it and at least agree not to sacrifice the health of still more young men to satisfy our need for closure.

So, President-Elect Obama, you're wrong. We should not have a college football playoff. You're right to focus on the less interesting stuff, like whether we're going to have an economy next month.

[Note: I held all of the above opinions before my Michigan Wolverines began this terrible season.]

-- Posted by Neil H. Buchanan


Paul said...

Injuries? That is your best arguement? The increase in injuries that would result from an additional 7 games of football is the gamebraker for you? Weak.

If you want a good arguement, or at least a much better one, you should try the following:

If the goal is that the best team should be declared the national champion then an 8-team playoff system reduces, rather than enhances, the probability of correctly selecting that team as compared to teh current system. In any one game the probablity of the best team winning is substatially less than that same team amounting a strength of schedule weighted score over a 13 game season. That is, the effect of luck on a single game is far greater than the effect of luck on a 13-game season. Thus, while a playof system would provide an illusion of arriving at the best team winning the national championship, by introducing 6 or 7 teams that everyone (prior to the playoffs) would agree is not he best team and allowing those 6 or 7 teams to "reset" the season would, in fact, result in far more "mistakes" than the current system.

Personally, I like a playoff system because I like playoffs. Personally, I recognize that playoffs are less like to crown the best team as champion than the currect BCS system. I none-the-less prefer a playoff system because playoffs have a "fun level" that is, for me, superior to the bowl system. But that is not the arguement typically advanced in support of playoff. The argument typically advanced is that playoffs would do a better job of selecting the champion. you would know who the best team was because that would be the team that won the playoffs. Luckily, for the anti-playoff crowd, that argument is wrong and you should be able to beat them on their own turf. I don't know why I never see this argument advanced.

Jamison Colburn said...

I think I'm with you on this. I went to most of the early Penn State games this season and thought that they looked overpowered for their competition but underpowered for the tops in the country. They're better than Iowa, for sure, but a let down like that evidences some fundamentals that are lacking. Besides, a playoff would either confirm the obvious (that the big 12 and Florida are just qualitatively stronger these days) or produce some freak result given the unpredictability inherent in any one game. Next year is another matter, though!

egarber said...
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egarber said...

A few things:

1. Why not go with one of the plus-one options? You either seed the top 4 for a playoff, or use an unseeded version with updated BCS standings after the bowls to set up the final game. In both cases, it's just one more game.

2. On the entertainment value of arguing, it's far from true that arguments only ensue when things are unsettled in the rankings within some sport. If that were the case, there would be little arguing during say, the NFL season. But as we all know, NFL bantering can get pretty intense. Of course, I'll grant that with the NFL, arguing usually ends after the season. With college ball, the controversy keeps going, but the debate is invariably about the system, not team prospects. As a law analogy, isn't that a little like spending all your time arguing about procedure or jurisdiction, rather than the merits of a constitutional case?

3. As a rough case study of a sport that went through a transition from a non-playoff to a playoff-type system, it might be helpful to examine NASCAR (how often does that come up on DOL? :) ). Before, drivers just raced all season and points were totaled to determine the winner. Now, we have the "Chase", where (only) the top 12 reset their points (almost evenly) and fight it out the last 10 races. [All drivers still race in the final 10 – it’s just that only 12 of them are in it for the championship.]

Purists said it would ruin the "regular" season and eliminate Cinderella stories, etc. But I think it's working out well. There's just as much conversation and bickering, but a lot of it now relates to the excitement of the Chase -- i.e., which of these three guys will get in at number 12, etc (it's much like the bubble conversation in NCAA bball).

4. My pre-season number-one Ga Bulldogs are a bit of a disappointment this year. Sure, we may finish with only two losses, but we got clobbered each time we faced an elite team.

egarber said...

On a totally unrelated note, I see the CA Supreme Court agreed to review Prop 8. Should we read anything into that -- or was that coming regardless?

Michael C. Dorf said...

In response to Paul's argument: Clearly playoffs were needed last year to demonstrate beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Giants, not the Pats, were the best team in the NFL!

Meanwhile, even a playoff system is subject to the "11, it's one louder" phenomenon. See, e.g., the "play-in" game for the 64th slot in the NCAA basketball tourney, because, you know, it's arbitrary to distinguish between the 64th and 65th best teams, but obviously the 66th best team has nothing to complain about if relegated to winning the NIT.

egarber said...

>>Meanwhile, even a playoff system is subject to the "11, it's one louder" phenomenon.

That's true. But I'd rather argue about who should have gotten in at the 4 or 8 seed than who should play in a title game. It's simply dysfunctional (imo) to talk in terms of bubble teams for the *championship*.

Neil H. Buchanan said...

In response to #2 in egarber's first comment, no, I am not arguing about the equivalent of jurisdiction or procedure. I am arguing that, for example, Michigan in 1997 was substantively the best team in the nation. Nebraska eked out a 2-vote win in the coach's poll because it was Tom Osborn's last season, and they ran up the score against an overrated Tennessee team in their bowl game. Similarly, in 1984, BYU ran the table on WAC opponents and then beat Michigan's second-worst team of the last 40 years (6-5 record) in the Holiday Bowl, while Washington went 11-1 against real competition and won the Rose Bowl. The Miami/ND controversy was even more ridiculous, because they actually played each other late in the season. They both ended up 11-1, yet Miami won the vote. Aaahhhhh!!

This is about substance (such as it is in these things), not the right format. Had the teams played plus-one games or any other format, we'd have a different history to think about. I'm just saying that the improvement in our lives -- if any -- isn't worth the cost.

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